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by MarkOathout
Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:11 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Bull River
Replies: 7
Views: 8998

Re: Bull River

Four of us ran the Bull today, August 23rd, at a level at around 350-400cfs. The first canyon is 95 percent class II, with one drop maybe class III-, the second canyon was funner for us, but still had limited class III, maybe 4-5 drops. Nothing is class IV, it would take more water to reach that dif...
by MarkOathout
Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:43 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Granite Creek
Replies: 13
Views: 4756

Re: Granite Creek

Yes, you just took a different 4 wheeler trail that heads to the same horse trail. There is not an easier way than that as far as I know.
Kinda sucks alittle.
by MarkOathout
Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:05 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Upper Little Su
Replies: 2
Views: 1681

Re: Upper Little Su

At 500cfs this is a spankin packraft trip. At this level, don't expect to be able to scout a whole lot once you hit the steep section, it is tight and steep, you cannot see the bottom of some rapids from the top, so you enter some blind. The river you see walking up the trail is not the same river t...
by MarkOathout
Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:58 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Granite Creek
Replies: 13
Views: 4756

Re: Granite Creek

Granite is a great run, and you have to go up the trail on the knob then it goes up to the canyon rim where it ends at a horse trail, the rest is pretty obvious. Stay south on trails until to see canyon horizon. Glad we met on Little Su, I was the dummy that missed by buddies, and son, at the takeou...
by MarkOathout
Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:31 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Hey guys, the land above the bridge is private, both sides of the creek, the drive crossing the creek is private. If you do the upper upper, do not cross the creek, the owner has contacted me and said people were sneaking through his yard, around his house, etc., (stay along the creek, again do not ...
by MarkOathout
Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:41 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Upper Upper Moose Creek
Replies: 1
Views: 784

Re: Upper Upper Moose Creek

I would suggest scouting these drops as you go up, a couple have some real consequence if ran on a bad line; "Woody Boof," 5 minutes from parking, (find it) it will sneak up on you and the river right side is very dangerous, "Brow Tines" up past the cabin you will come to a big drop up against a roc...
by MarkOathout
Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:33 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

John, Andy, and I finally ran most of the upper, upper section of Moose Creek, about a mile and a half above bridge, which is a class IV trip, at 240-ish where we ran it. The creek is very much like a small L. Su., longer tighter drops, closer together, some rapids have really nasty lines that would...
by MarkOathout
Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:50 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Lower Kings River
Replies: 4
Views: 1363

Re: Lower Kings River

A group of us went in and did the whole lower canyon last week, at about 300cfs or so. The canyon is free of wood, some rapids changed alittle, Gotta Give er has changed too. The central boulder at the lip of the drop has moved against the left wall, but the line is still right of center to run the ...
by MarkOathout
Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:36 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Fall gear sales
Replies: 0
Views: 611

Fall gear sales

I seen James at Susitna Sled Kayak has a bunch of boating stuff onsale, nice chance to upgrade.
by MarkOathout
Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:28 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Woody Boof - Moose Creek
Replies: 2
Views: 923

Re: Woody Boof - Moose Creek

The boy and I went up and looked at the boof at 185cfs to see what was at the bottom of the pool. As we suspected, when we found the new drop, it is made from perfectly stacked trees from the massive log jam that used to be there, and prevented us from boating further up because we assumed more of t...
by MarkOathout
Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:59 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Paul, the ledge 100 yards below the big rock on the left is pretty sticky, but the backwash is not very wide, so speed makes it un-noticable, but lack of speed... that one has got most of us at one time or another. The creek is just perfect for skill building, it is very busy for long periods of tim...
by MarkOathout
Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:30 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Granite Creek Sutton
Replies: 0
Views: 650

Granite Creek Sutton

This is frequently overlooked, and is a great valley run that is usually class III-III+, but does become class IV at higher flows. Look at it at the Glenn, if it seems like you could almost wade across it it is III-III+ in the canyon, if it seems fast and powerful at the road it is a handful in the ...
by MarkOathout
Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:45 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Lower Kings River
Replies: 4
Views: 1363

Re: Lower Kings River

Paul, if you go up Permanante Rd. about 3-4 miles, go down a long hill, take trail on left that goes directly to river, then take trail to right. About 1/2 mile there is a rock about 2ft across in the trail. Go to the river, find the crack in the canyon wall and put in under Gotta Give er, the last ...
by MarkOathout
Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:55 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Woody Boof - Moose Creek
Replies: 2
Views: 923

Re: Woody Boof - Moose Creek

We are not sure whats deep in the pool at the bottom, could be logs, spruce trees etc., so if you get backsurfed don't let your feet dangle, tuckem up. With that said, at 350cfs there is a pretty nasty hole at center to be boofed or run it left, but carefully scout the wood below or eat crow. At 275...
by MarkOathout
Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:09 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Hey Justin, it is not as continuous as the upper but does have some good sections. You should be able to work your way down it with caution, even at a higher flow like now, 290cfs, just watch the bends. There are two drops which have old trusses beside them, one on right the other on the left, both ...
by MarkOathout
Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:35 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

It is full of wood that is where my kayak was in a log jam
by MarkOathout
Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:55 am
Forum: Tips & Technique
Topic: Class IV gear and technique
Replies: 4
Views: 3440

Re: Class IV gear and technique

Great layout in segments, look at Steep Creek Skills, the Liquid Logic video on the Green, it is excellent too. I would like to re-emphasize a piece on the low brace, he mentioned it kinda quick then moved on, very important. It is really important to roll your paddle after the brace when you move i...
by MarkOathout
Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:04 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

The upper can be ran without getting out, however... there are some tight tricky spots. The creek is harder this year, holes are deeper, 275 is the lowest I have ran it this year and it was fairly rowdy. So anyway, it's cleaner of wood and safer, get it before it tanks, still 268, will get boring un...
by MarkOathout
Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:04 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Cheap Sheep
Replies: 9
Views: 8128

Re: Cheap Sheep

Hey Paul nice to see another boater way out there. The lower part is horrible, wood, wood, every corner for the first several miles, wood. For something of like;(good parts of Sheep) try upper upper Willow above 1200cfs or so, we got it today just shy of 2000cfs and it was very much like Sheep at hi...
by MarkOathout
Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:49 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: 2012 July 28 Sheep Creek
Replies: 4
Views: 1338

Re: 2012 July 28 Sheep Creek

Lol, the first time I went I had no idea how thick the brush was. We also did not have packrafts and carried 35lb Ik's with our gear, and extra stuff we did not need, I think my pack was 80lbs. Yep, it was a near death experience from the hike, and from the bears. It was loaded with bears, we saw 6,...
by MarkOathout
Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:14 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: 2012 July 28 Sheep Creek
Replies: 4
Views: 1338

Re: 2012 July 28 Sheep Creek

Sheep is a decent run when Willow is 800-1000cfs, you may have found an old trail we hacked down to the creek a few years back
by MarkOathout
Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:00 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek lost kayak

My kayak was found in a logjam, glad I was not in it. Thanks to all who offered to help find it.
by MarkOathout
Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:04 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Brushkana & Upper Nenana Trip Report
Replies: 7
Views: 2778

Re: Brushkana & Upper Nenana Trip Report

My family and I just did the trip and walked out, even with camping gear. Saved about an hour, even though we walked the whole way instead of leaving bikes at the trailhead. The River really changed from the flood, and judging from my observation of debris and boulders reworked, was epic. The fishin...
by MarkOathout
Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:26 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Brushkana & Upper Nenana Trip Report
Replies: 7
Views: 2778

Re: Brushkana & Upper Nenana Trip Report

Take the trail that comes to the Nenana about two miles from the mouth of Brushkana, saves 10 miles of slow Nenana. I take my kids down two or three times a year. great fishing
by MarkOathout
Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:22 am
Forum: Packrafting Gear
Topic: Kayak Spray Skirt?
Replies: 13
Views: 4240

Re: Kayak Spray Skirt?

John, I think Alpacka needs to build a beefy deck for people who don't hike as much as they boat. I would gladly add a couple of pounds to my boat for a tighter skirt. I have whined about that problem alot, drives me nuts. They work awesome on pool drop, ledges and falls, but under certain condition...
by MarkOathout
Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:55 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek lost kayak

John and I had an awesome run down the creek today, however... a new strainer took me out 200 yards from the upper takeout and I could not hold my kayak. After about 100 runs down I guess it was tiime for me to pay homage to the gods of the creek. At any rate, it's a beatup Jackson Mega Rocker, coul...
by MarkOathout
Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:26 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Thats the fourth lost in there in the last two years that I know of. Paddle jams. Will keep an open eye for it.
by MarkOathout
Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:28 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Gravel Creek
Replies: 5
Views: 1639

Re: Gravel Creek

I agree with John, the warm weather will change the creek into a river that is filled brush to brush on both sides with very few eddies. Last year there was almost a death at high water, a girl swam for a long time, estimated 20-30 minutes. The creek seems to be the hardest on the corners, of course...
by MarkOathout
Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:45 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Moose is a new run; new routes, new rapids, some wood, and some sticky holes under a couple of 2ft ledges. The creek seems cleaner as far as boulders choking the lines, and a couple of new rapids are pretty darn good. On your way down, the second time the creek comes to the road, you will go down a ...
by MarkOathout
Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:01 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Upper Gilahena + Lower Kuskalana, Wrangells
Replies: 1
Views: 901

Re: Upper Gilahena + Lower Kuskalana, Wrangells

I did the lower several years ago and it does have alot of wood. It has an interesting looking canyon, class II-III after the Choksona joins(I think thats the river) and is alittle better than the first couple of miles. The Chitna ride back is long and slow though. Nah, there's much better closer to...
by MarkOathout
Wed May 29, 2013 7:22 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

The boy and I went up to take a look at Moose Creek, and was expecting a dismal situation. However, the flood was so devestating it seems to have left most trees scattered down the banks, with several strainers still present though. The creek has totally changed course in more than one spot. The put...
by MarkOathout
Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:57 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Oshetna River
Replies: 6
Views: 1876

Re: Oshetna River

It is briefly mentioned in Embicks book, and I have heard that it is in the class IIIish range, but cannot remember the source. I have a friend who has had wheelers back there several times, I will ask him what he thinks.
by MarkOathout
Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:17 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Willow Creek
Replies: 12
Views: 4493

Re: Willow Creek

Two friends went two days ago, there are sweepers, and the gage is off, double the reading would be more accurate
by MarkOathout
Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:07 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Lets get up there, when the water drops to a really boney level, and clean it up before next spring. I can pack a chainsaw in the back of an IK, works great and saves alot of time. Contact me if interested
by MarkOathout
Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:13 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

I went up to look at Moose entertaining the idea of running some of it. Ha ha ha, I wimpered away like a little puppy. Anyway here is some vid. where you can hear boulders rolling down the stream, I could hear them a hundered yards away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWPtqwPwLg&feature=plcp
by MarkOathout
Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:29 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Any Beginner's Float Around Palmer
Replies: 3
Views: 954

Re: Any Beginner's Float Around Palmer

Start at Shirely Town on Willow Creek(class II) take out on Michelle Drive, then progress to the redgate run (class II+).
The Little Su is class IV, and is also nearly unrunnable at the current low water levels
by MarkOathout
Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:33 pm
Forum: Packrafting Gear
Topic: Air Mattress Flooring
Replies: 12
Views: 5361

Re: Air Mattress Flooring

What a difference it made by just cutting up a cheap roll out sleeping pad for behind protection. I did not attached it in anyway, it seems fairly tight and secure, and if it is lost I still have the other two thirds of the mat. ( My boy was wondering why his mat was so short) After a dozen or so tr...
by MarkOathout
Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:21 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Windy Creek by Susitna
Replies: 0
Views: 640

Windy Creek by Susitna

Put-in on Windy Creek Rd, Take-out Valdez Creek Mine Rd, Class III in long sections, drops 600ft in 4-5 miles,the bulk of it happens in the canyon. The run consists of steepish boulder garden drops, and it just keeps coming throughout the run, no boredom or hassle. It was alittle bumpy at a mid summ...
by MarkOathout
Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:37 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Montana Creek, South Fork, near Talkeetna
Replies: 17
Views: 7239

Re: Montana Creek, South Fork, near Talkeetna

The song is kind of annoying,very annoying, but the creek was great, even though James and I took a dip in the pool below Big Sky after hitting that rock above the lip which killed all momentum. I tried to roll but could not posistion my paddle before I came out of my thigh straps. (wah) Other than ...
by MarkOathout
Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:04 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Montana Creek, South Fork, near Talkeetna
Replies: 17
Views: 7239

Re: Montana Creek, South Fork, near Talkeetna

John forgot the bug spray, well ok I did too. OMG... class V+ barely survivable. It looked like you did the line I like just a bit left of center. Here's a video that has different runs in different boats, packrafts, Ik's, kayaks, and has clips of Montana Cr. Another one of my lame videos. http://ww...
by MarkOathout
Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:07 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

John and I ran the creek today at 340, and when thinking back on the run, I think he said it best, after our run, " you kinda feel like you got away with something." Two thumbs up.
by MarkOathout
Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:31 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Take note, when John and I mention holes, we are not talking about unpunchable holes. Most are easy to punch through, but they will mess you up if you don't hit them right, and there are more than you could count. But, as John mentioned, they begin to wash out at 300 then the creek has lots of splas...
by MarkOathout
Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:16 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Very similar to the first 200 yards of baby su, at a good flow, from the hatchers bridge down.
by MarkOathout
Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:49 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

The water between 250-280 is hard because of the ultra fast water speed, the holes, and rocks, in combination, makes it really hard, for the first mile to read and run. After the stream enters on the left, right down from the put-in, I would scout the next drop from the river right shore, it is ugly...
by MarkOathout
Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:29 am
Forum: Packrafting Gear
Topic: Whitewater Spray Deck
Replies: 5
Views: 3565

Re: Whitewater Spray Deck

Is anyone having trouble keeping their skirt on when they boof? I like my knees bent so I can put force upwards against my thigh straps when I boof, but I am blowing my skirt. So instead of dealing with that I am trying to keep my legs more extended, however, it is hard to raise a bow in this fashio...
by MarkOathout
Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:49 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Moose Creek
Replies: 71
Views: 14545

Re: Moose Creek

Don't forget when the larger streams are to high, for many of us when packrafting, some of these smaller streams are a blast a high water. 300 last night, get out there, cleanse yourselves, do it now, it's yours...
by MarkOathout
Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:16 am
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: Chickaloon River Advice
Replies: 2
Views: 919

Re: Chickaloon River Advice

Actually, there are several places to put in. The best part of the run starts 16 miles up the river and goes to the to the road. If the gravel bar is mostly covered under the glenn highway bridge it is a spankin run,and very continuous class III-III+, low water class II-III. When you loook at the se...
by MarkOathout
Thu May 24, 2012 7:24 am
Forum: Packrafting Gear
Topic: Air Mattress Flooring
Replies: 12
Views: 5361

Re: Air Mattress Flooring

I think I am going to velcro one in. However, instead of a solid one piece, I was thinking about trying the REI thermarest camp seat. I would place one under my butt, and the other under my feet to reduce damage to the floor from rock impacts smashiong it against boot soles. Has anyone tried two pie...
by MarkOathout
Mon May 21, 2012 3:19 pm
Forum: Packrafting Gear
Topic: Whitewater Spray Deck
Replies: 5
Views: 3565

Re: Whitewater Spray Deck

John I can barely move today, I took some serious boulder impacts. When I bit it, on one less lawyer, I think it must have caught on a rock. I am really glad I tucked and also have a kevlar helmet, holy crap. However, my moment of agony left me with another thought. I may be holding the Willow tripl...
by MarkOathout
Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:02 pm
Forum: Southcentral
Topic: 4day/3night float?
Replies: 4
Views: 1062

Re: 4day/3night float?

Sorry did not see the fishing request